Post by lynn on Jan 12, 2023 2:02:59 GMT -5
Jan 11, 2023 14:31:03 GMT -5 Laura De Bernardi said:
I agree that there are some people who relish uncertainty. I've seen people dominate via the exercise of it. Uncertainty can be a ploy used in offices world-wide, where people in positions of power deliberately create uncertainty, so that everyone around them rushes around fixing problems they have created, while they exercise power and climb the corporate ladder. Many a talented person has been crushed by the use of such power dynamics.
Uncertainty can't be so simply defined as 'loving it or hating it'. It has a moral quality to it. I think that it's possible to describe those who pushed QAnon themes as loving uncertainty and Trump as being its CEO.
The implication here at ModPo is that those who relish 'uncertainty' are somehow better, more creative, inspired, able to do the work most valued, that of poetry etc than those who find 'certainty' important. If you like uncertainty, you are a plodder, uninspired, somehow challenged. I think that there are serious problems with such thinking. I suspect that those of you who relish 'uncertainty' suddenly lost your job, or your home, or your entire family - as is currently happening in Ukraine - might find that relishing 'uncertainty' is not as appealing a psychological category.
Lear on the heath - having lost it all - gone from king to pauper, that's uncertainty - and there's no relishing it, and he goes mad - as Shakespeare makes clear. Uncertainty and madness are seriously correlated.
Philosophy involves thinking - the ability to think, evaluate, push arguments along - that's all I'm doing here. This is not about causing offence, or getting people offside - but about challenging issues that require challenge.
Hello Laura! The uncertainty seems to have hit you in a very personal way. I participated in the zoom and your reaction surprises me. There are several definitions to the word "uncertain". The fifth definition in the Merriam Webster is "not reliable" or untrustworthy. I think that no one here on ModPo would relish a situation in which a child cannot trust their family members or an employee who feels uncertain in their job position because their employers or superiors are not trustworthy and manipulative. On the other hand the outcome of a scientific experiment is "not known beyond doubt" (1st definition) and not constant (2nd definition) or subject to variables. The same could be said of our reactions to a particular poet and their work.
Your referring to QAnon and Trump as loving uncertainty surprises me! From my experience they are people who are absolutely certain of their beliefs.
ModPo presents us with often challenging material, it's up to us how we react to it. In the discussion forums we can find all kinds of people and all kinds of reactions. It provides a space for everyone to express themselves. I think it's harsh to say ModPo has positive or negative judgements about the different people who participate. I'm not an academic and often feel that my comments are very different from others, and that's ok. Joan Retallack is not easy but if I'm here for the ride I want to find a way to appreciate what she's offering me. If that means NOT getting it, NOT being certain I'm going to try. Anyone else is free to find it opaque, obscure or uncomfortable.
And I have to admit that in my life experience many important people and life situations that I was absolutely certain of turned out not to be certain at all. As a result I do have some distrust for certainty.